If al-Bashier is on visit outside the country, who is then in charge with the country's affairs. Is it Salva, Tah or is another person?

If al-Bashier is on visit outside the country, who is then in charge with the country's affairs. Is it Salva, Tah or is another person?

:flag: Al-Bashir always plan to go abroad when Salva gets engaged on another trip.:confused:

The country will not have an "affair":oops with Salva:lool:

:flag: Al-Bashir always plan to go abroad when Salva gets engaged on another trip.:confused:

The country will not have an "affair":oops with Salva:lool:

If you have the affair word for something else, it's ok, let just say duty or things. Are you ok now.

My question was to Unionists who are struggling to "save" the dead unity. When al-Bashier is outside of the country, Salva still remain as first vice-president, and the 2nd Vice-president is becoming acting president. This ocure just in Sudan. If you know another country, please say it.

If you have the affair word for something else, it's ok, let just say duty or things. Are you ok now.

My question was to Unionists who are struggling to "save" the dead unity. When al-Bashier is outside of the country, Salva still remain as first vice-president, and the 2nd Vice-president is becoming acting president. This ocure just in Sudan. If you know another country, please say it.




That is pathetic if it is true, It however is in keeping with the islamic phylosophy of not allowing a Kufar to rule in Muslin predominant country...sick sick :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

That is pathetic if it is true, It however is in keeping with the islamic phylosophy of not allowing a Kufar to rule in Muslin predominant country...sick sick :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

That is how it is in United Sudan.

TTG,

Actually that is false!

If Al Bashier dies his place will be taken by another from the NCP.

If Kiir dies he is replaced by the SPLM.

Beyond that the mandate of each office within the Extended Presidency is outlined by the CPA – neither office in theory has absolute executive power. Each has their own privileges. Some acts require approval by both President and 1st VP.

Under no circumstance does Taha hold seniority over Kiir!

Ps: Perhaps you two ought to read the CPA and Constitution before you and your usually exuberant retinue entertain us by your asinine commentary!

That is pathetic if it is true, It however is in keeping with the islamic phylosophy of not allowing a Kufar to rule in Muslin predominant country...sick sick :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

again malaysi, ethiopia, nigeria, lebanon and turkey are all countries where the majority is muslim and the president is christian.

TTG,

Actually that is false!

If Al Bashier dies his place will be taken by another from the NCP.

If Kiir dies he is replaced by the SPLM.

Beyond that the mandate of each office within the Extended Presidency is outlined by the CPA – neither office in theory has absolute executive power. Each has their own privileges. Some acts require approval by both President and 1st VP.

Under no circumstance does Taha hold seniority over Kiir!

Ps: Perhaps you two ought to read the CPA and Constitution before you and your usually exuberant retinue entertain us by your asinine commentary!



Ok, recite what you just say again... You say if "Al Bashir dies, his post will be take by a person from NCP"/NIF right? That person would be Taha and he would be the new persident...So who is above who now if the 2nd VP can become persident instead of 1st VP?
Everybody know that is what is stated in the CPA but it was a move well calculated on purpose by the NIF so that the person from the south wouldn't have power over 2nd VP from the north and can't become persident if the persident dies...Kiir only have the position but he doesn't have concrete
power. Technically, Taha is the VP according to khartoum...Have you every seen a post in the north refering to Taha as 2nd VP? no, it's alway state Vp Taha...Why can't they call 2nd VP like they call Kiir 1st Vp?

again malaysi, ethiopia, nigeria, lebanon and turkey are all countries where the majority is muslim and the president is christian.

Ahmed,

Your method is flawed because it is not just the population but the political system – none of the countries you mentioned claims to be a Messiah state or a theocracy.

On the facts:

Actually both King and PM in Malaysia are Moslem. Generally the country is democracy rather than a theocracy or a Messiah State

On the facts:

Actually both King and PM in Malaysia are Moslem. Generally the country is democracy rather than a theocracy or a Messiah State

Both President and PM in Turkey are Moslems (PM is an Islamist). Turkey is a Secular State controlled by the army despite having around 99% Moslem population.

Ethiopia is divided along ethnic rather than religious lines – PM is the real power, he is Tigre, and the Ceremonial President is Oromo the largest ethnic group! Secular country. I am not sure if Moslems actually constitute a majority.

Lebanon is divided constitutionally among the religious sects. The Sunna get PM and Shiaa Parliament and other Army ranks. There is no Moslem electorate, but rather Sunna and Shiaa. The Christians are also divided and there are the Druze. Secular state – President Marionette Christian.

Nigeria is governed by a an elected president from the South- Secular state. He happens to be a Christian. It had Moslems Presidents in the past. I don’t think Moslems constitute an overwhelming majority – they could be the largest!



Ps: I hope you read and understood my response here:
http://www.sudanforum.net/showthread.php?t=352&highlight=Sultan

In many countries, it's v.president that become president in the absent of the president. So if Kiir is v.president then he should be a president if Bashir dead. Things seems upside down in this country.

By the way, I'm suprise thought. Bashir never travel outside the country and leave Kiir in charge. why is that so?

In many countries, it's v.president that become president in the absent of the president. So if Kiir is v.president then he should be a president if Bashir dead. Things seems upside down in this country.

By the way, I'm suprise thought. Bashir never travel outside the country and leave Kiir in charge. why is that so?

Daudi,

This is not my opinion – this is what Garang and Taha agreed to in Navaisha. The Presidency is for the Ingaz (NCP) and 1st VP is SPLM. This is now also the language of the Interim Federal constitution.

Ps: I voted for neither one!

:flag: Al-Bashir always plan to go abroad when Salva gets engaged on another trip.:confused:




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Daudi,

This is not my opinion – this is what Garang and Taha agreed to in Navaisha. The Presidency is for the Ingaz (NCP) and 1st VP is SPLM. This is now also the language of the Interim Federal constitution.

Ps: I voted for neither one!

That was bring up by Northerners, and do you know why? Because North Sudanese know that everything can happen and it could lead automatically to "infidel" to be their President.

Again, this question was to ignorants Southern unionists who don't see far from their noses.

..Well, Bashir is ordinarly person and if he's gone the whole government and people just point him a middle finger.. and take the country..

Daudi,
This is not my opinion – this is what Garang and Taha agreed to in Navaisha. The Presidency is for the Ingaz (NCP) and 1st VP is SPLM. This is now also the language of the Interim Federal constitution

This languange was applied only to the interim period b/t the time of CPA and the voting time. It doesn't mean it's gonna always like that.

Hey, I'll do it!! ................

Ahmed,

Your method is flawed because it is not just the population but the political system – none of the countries you mentioned claims to be a Messiah state or a theocracy.

On the facts:

Actually both King and PM in Malaysia are Moslem. Generally the country is democracy rather than a theocracy or a Messiah State

On the facts:

Actually both King and PM in Malaysia are Moslem. Generally the country is democracy rather than a theocracy or a Messiah State

Both President and PM in Turkey are Moslems (PM is an Islamist). Turkey is a Secular State controlled by the army despite having around 99% Moslem population.

Ethiopia is divided along ethnic rather than religious lines – PM is the real power, he is Tigre, and the Ceremonial President is Oromo the largest ethnic group! Secular country. I am not sure if Moslems actually constitute a majority.

Lebanon is divided constitutionally among the religious sects. The Sunna get PM and Shiaa Parliament and other Army ranks. There is no Moslem electorate, but rather Sunna and Shiaa. The Christians are also divided and there are the Druze. Secular state – President Marionette Christian.

Nigeria is governed by a an elected president from the South- Secular state. He happens to be a Christian. It had Moslems Presidents in the past. I don’t think Moslems constitute an overwhelming majority – they could be the largest!



Ps: I hope you read and understood my response here:
http://www.sudanforum.net/showthread.php?t=352&highlight=Sultan

ok, now name one country where a religion other than islam is the majority and there is a muslim head of state?

TTG,

Actually that is false!

If Al Bashier dies his place will be taken by another from the NCP.

If Kiir dies he is replaced by the SPLM.

Beyond that the mandate of each office within the Extended Presidency is outlined by the CPA – neither office in theory has absolute executive power. Each has their own privileges. Some acts require approval by both President and 1st VP.

Under no circumstance does Taha hold seniority over Kiir!

Ps: Perhaps you two ought to read the CPA and Constitution before you and your usually exuberant retinue entertain us by your asinine commentary!


you are completely wrong
The constitution:
Article 43
Absence of the President or Vacancy of the Post of President

The post of President of the Republic becomes vacant on the following occasions:
Completion of the term of the Presidency;
Death;
Mental illness or serious fiscal disability;
Imprisonment in accordance with the rules of the Constitution;
Resignation of the President that has been accepted by the National Assembly.
When the President of the Republic is absent or his post is vacant, the First Vice-President shall temporarily perform the duties of President of the Republic until the return of the President or the election of a new President.
If the Office of President is vacant, elections or the President of the Republic shall be held within sixty days from the vacancy of the post.

This languange was applied only to the interim period b/t the time of CPA and the voting time. It doesn't mean it's gonna always like that.

Yes, but by the time the Sudanese get a chance for a fair/legitimizing vote as in the language of Machakos the SPLM and the Ingaz would have settled (or not..back to war), for better or worse, the pivotal issues that concern all of us including the conditions for free elections!!

you are completely wrong
The constitution:
Article 43
Absence of the President or Vacancy of the Post of President

The post of President of the Republic becomes vacant on the following occasions:
Completion of the term of the Presidency;
Death;
Mental illness or serious fiscal disability;
Imprisonment in accordance with the rules of the Constitution;
Resignation of the President that has been accepted by the National Assembly.
When the President of the Republic is absent or his post is vacant, the First Vice-President shall temporarily perform the duties of President of the Republic until the return of the President or the election of a new President.
If the Office of President is vacant, elections or the President of the Republic shall be held within sixty days from the vacancy of the post.


Molller,

Forgive me sir, but you quoted "Article 43" of Turabi’s Twali Constitution of 1998.

The following articles are from the Protocol on Power Sharing (CPA), which I believe are incorporated into Sudan's National Interim Constitution:

2.3.5 Until such time as elections are held, the current incumbent President (or his successor) shall be the President and Commander-in-Chief of the Sudan Armed Forces {SAF}. The current SPLM Chairman (or his successor) shall be the First Vice President and shall at the same time hold the posts of President of the Government of Southern Sudan (GOSS) and Commander-in-Chief of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA).

2.3.6 In respect of the following matters, the President shall take decisions with the consent of the First Vice President, namely:-


2.3.6.1 Declaration and termination of a state of emergency;
2.3.6.2 Declaration of war;
2.3.6.3 Appointments that the President is required to make according to the Peace Agreement, {to be specified}; and
2.3.6.4 Summoning, adjourning, or proroguing the National Legislature.

2.3.8Should the post of the President fall vacant, the functions of the President shall be assumed by a Presidential Council comprising of the Speaker of the National Assembly, the First Vice President and the Vice President.

2.3.8.1 The Speaker of the National Assembly shall be Chairperson of the Council in the period prior to elections, after elections the First Vice President shall be the chairperson of the Council;

2.3.8.2 The Presidential Council shall take its decision by consensus;

2.3.8.3The Vice President shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Sudan Armed Forces {SAF}.

2.3.9 Should the post of the President fall vacant in the period prior to elections, the Office of the President shall be filled by the nominee of the National Congress Party within two weeks.

2.3.10 Should the post of the President fall vacant in the period after the elections, the post shall be filled through presidential elections which shall be held within sixty {60} days.

2.3.11 Should the post of the First Vice President fall vacant:-

2.3.11.1 Prior to elections, the office of the First Vice President shall be filled by the nominee of the SPLM within two weeks;

2.3.11.2 After the elections, the President shall appoint a First Vice President in accordance with the Interim National Constitution and the provisions of this Peace Agreement.



I hope things are now clearer for you!!

As it has been already mentioned by Sultan, the power sharing protocol allows many things that others may term abnormal, but in my perspectives it is more of a common sense, based on the general settings of the CPA. Lest suppose, that Al-Bashir is gone that wouldn't translate into a new CPA. The CPA have to be implemented by the two partners parties.
If Kiir become the new president of the Sudan, then SPLM would have to name another first Vice President, this ridiculize the whole thing if not jeopardize.


ps: I think it is because of the CPA, that the first Vice President have a veto, and a president of an autonomus government at the same time! It is only found in Sudan!!

As it has been already mentioned by Sultan, the power sharing protocol allows many things that others may term abnormal, but in my perspectives it is more of a common sense, based on the general settings of the CPA. Lest suppose, that Al-Bashir is gone that wouldn't translate into a new CPA. The CPA have to be implemented by the two partners parties.
If Kiir become the new president of the Sudan, then SPLM would have to name another first Vice President, this ridiculize the whole thing if not jeopardize.


ps: I think it is because of the CPA, that the first Vice President have a veto, and a president of an autonomus government at the same time! It is only found in Sudan!!

Akew,

A referendum on the CPA would have worked better.