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curious-one 09-Feb-07, 09:20 What you all think about the following article? For those who do not speak Arabic; the theme is that northerner’s political parties are calling for Al Bashir and his party to nominate southerner to a President of Sudan in upcoming election and not himself or northerner for the sack of unity of Sudan; the article also suggests the capital of Sudan to move to Abeyi.
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What you all think about the following article? For those who do not speak Arabic; the theme is that northerner’s political parties are calling for Al Bashir and his party to nominate southerner to a President of Sudan in upcoming election and not himself or northerner for the sack of unity of Sudan; the article also suggests the capital of Sudan to move to Abeyi.
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Have you ever fish Mr/Ms Curious-one?
C_O,
The call was made by the PNC’s (Turabi’s NIF faction) Khartoum Chapter (not northern nor is it Southern - Islamist).
It was their call alone and it does not say in the piece that it was endorsed by any of other speakers: Registrar of political organizations, Al Sadiq Al Mahadi, Abu Sabeeb (A Khatimi from the DUP), and that most unifying of all the “Southern elders” Joseph Lago.
I personally want the leader of the Sudan to be elected and to actually stand for something.
I don’t think what we have today is Unity and as such saving this one is basically inviting all the mayhem that came with it.
The path forward is through the full implementation of the CPA and the other effective/inclusive measures!
RAM~MI~RAN 09-Feb-07, 17:07 What you all think about the following article? For those who do not speak Arabic; the theme is that northerner’s political parties are calling for Al Bashir and his party to nominate southerner to a President of Sudan in upcoming election and not himself or northerner for the sack of unity of Sudan; the article also suggests the capital of Sudan to move to Abeyi.
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Thank but no thank...any southerners that will come from NIF party is will get 0% votes from the south because they are in the wrong party, at the wrong time, and at the wrong place...Forget joseph Lague and all those in sotherners in the NIF..Why can't you guy get it? Sudan is going be 3 country if not four in coming years...I know the south will be republic "by all means necessary" .. No thank to the nothern politician, it don't matter to us who is nominated to the presidential election from NIF or now call NCP, they will get no votes and don't not talk of unity cuz we never have any and we will never have none either...So let just waite for 2011 or whichever come first 2011 or another war...
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thanks for stopping by; what you think? Will Al Bashir do that? Will it work?
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Do you think Al Turabi is from south Sudan? Or does he want Mek Kur to the next presindent becuase is from his party and from south; or Abdualha Deng Nhail?
curious-one 09-Feb-07, 19:09 Have you ever fish Mr/Ms Curious-one?
I have no Idea what you mean by fishing; do you mean fishing fish or human mangement in complex society?
curious-one 09-Feb-07, 19:18 C_O,
The call was made by the PNC’s (Turabi’s NIF faction) Khartoum Chapter (not northern nor is it Southern - Islamist).
It was their call alone and it does not say in the piece that it was endorsed by any of other speakers: Registrar of political organizations, Al Sadiq Al Mahadi, Abu Sabeeb (A Khatimi from the DUP), and that most unifying of all the “Southern elders” Joseph Lago.
I personally want the leader of the Sudan to be elected and to actually stand for something.
I don’t think what we have today is Unity and as such saving this one is basically inviting all the mayhem that came with it.
The path forward is through the full implementation of the CPA and the other effective/inclusive measures!
Sultan,
So this is has no meaning? It is just Al Turabi testing water; how do you think the other northern parties feel about the call?
As the full implementation of CPA is corncern, I a gree with you; however, we all seen that is getting late to win the mind and the heart of southerners; the SPLM made attempt last week to call upon all Sudanese political parties including NIF to give the unity last chance. Maybe that call make Al Turabi and others relaiz that without implementation of CPA, unity of Sudan is unlikely to happen.
curious-one 09-Feb-07, 19:29 Thank but no thank...any southerners that will come from NIF party is will get 0% votes from the south because they are in the wrong party, at the wrong time, and at the wrong place...Forget joseph Lague and all those in sotherners in the NIF..Why can't you guy get it? Sudan is going be 3 country if not four in coming years...I know the south will be republic "by all means necessary" .. No thank to the nothern politician, it don't matter to us who is nominated to the presidential election from NIF or now call NCP, they will get no votes and don't not talk of unity cuz we never have any and we will never have none either...So let just waite for 2011 or whichever come first 2011 or another war...
RAm~MI~RAN,
You are right about southerners in the NIF and I agree with you 100%; but I would like to point something out for you here.
CPA gave southerners the right to vote to determin their fate in 2011; it is not going to go away unless you can protect from those who want to kill the CPA. What that said, southern should be in offensive for the development CPA required to be done in the south before that date that why I never talk about 2011 come soon?
I want to see the NIF is going to do that and how the other northern parties are going to support that? You don't fight for what if given to you, you fight for what is not yet given to you.
HisHighness 09-Feb-07, 20:17 Do you think Al Turabi is from south Sudan? Or does he want Mek Kur to the next presindent becuase is from his party and from south; or Abdualha Deng Nhail?
Sudan is not prepared for a president from NIF, South Sudan or a woman president and the democratic process can prove that..take them to the polls and you will see only the winners are NC and the ruling coalition ..
Sudan is not prepared for a president from NIF, South Sudan or a woman president and the democratic process can prove that..take them to the polls and you will see only the winners are NC and the ruling coalition ..
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jijury
C_O,
Like I said – I am not partial to the excessive and inaccurate use of “Northern and/or Southern” to describe any political agenda beyond exclusion.
Yes, for me this has no tangible meaning, particularly when it comes from the PNC.
Mrs. Thatcher was the PM of the UK for several years – I am not sure many women remember can her with any particular fondness regarding Women’s issues.
We need elected officials who have an agenda that they can prosecute – what we don’t need is more tokenism.
Personally, I am willing to vote for any politician with a discernable record on the fight for social justice, unity, and genuine democracy. I don’t care nor do I fear the ethnic background of any Sudanese.
Let us hope that the call by the SPLM on Unity is not merely an exception necessitated by the Congress of the Northern Sector. Kiir and Co will generate support if they don’t change the message according to the audience.
Let us also hope that the “effective” leadership of the SPLM is getting the message about not just Unity but the way to firm up the CPA.
Sudan is not prepared for a president from NIF, South Sudan or a woman president and the democratic process can prove that..take them to the polls and you will see only the winners are NC and the ruling coalition ..
The National Congress is other part of the NIF - it is not a political organization – it is a government enterprise!
To date, they have not run a democratic election – they came to power using violence and graft!
Ps: In the last free election, despite 7-years of fattening - they were no where near a majority!
The National Congress is other part of the NIF - it is not a political organization – it is a government enterprise!
To date, they have not run a democratic election – they came to power using violence and graft!
Ps: In the last free election, despite 7-years of fattening - they were no where near a majority!
THANKS, I FORGOT TO POINT THAT ONE OUT TOO.
JIJURY
curious-one 09-Feb-07, 21:44 C_O,
Like I said – I am not partial to the excessive and inaccurate use of “Northern and/or Southern” to describe any political agenda beyond exclusion.
Yes, for me this has no tangible meaning, particularly when it comes from the PNC.
Mrs. Thatcher was the PM of the UK for several years – I am not sure many women remember can her with any particular fondness regarding Women’s issues.
We need elected officials who have an agenda that they can prosecute – what we don’t need is more tokenism.
Personally, I am willing to vote for any politician with a discernable record on the fight for social justice, unity, and genuine democracy. I don’t care nor do I fear the ethnic background of any Sudanese.
Let us hope that the call by the SPLM on Unity is not merely an exception necessitated by the Congress of the Northern Sector. Kiir and Co will generate support if they don’t change the message according to the audience.
Let us also hope that the “effective” leadership of the SPLM is getting the message about not just Unity but the way to firm up the CPA.
I will try my best not to use "northern parties" when I response to you.
I'm not fondness about the word, but I'm concern about the deep feeling we don't talk about in our real politics in which these political parties are setting on.
I hope the SPLM will continue to send their message to the public and hoping they may change their hearts; How much support do you think the SPLM will get from other political parties to give a chance for unity of Sudan?
curious-one 09-Feb-07, 21:51 Sudan is not prepared for a president from NIF, South Sudan or a woman president and the democratic process can prove that..take them to the polls and you will see only the winners are NC and the ruling coalition ..
That is the ugly truth, because the Sudan public is educate to see what is best for them.
on the other hand, you can not run away from your brother; NCP,PNC, and NIF are one. You can.t raise a chicken before you raised an egg.
How much support do you think the SPLM will get from other political parties to give a chance for unity of Sudan?
C_O,
Thank!
I think that is the sort of loaded question that is likely to leave every one disappointed!
It is not support the SPLM should be after, but rather the an agenda that is sufficiently common to every one to give it leverage .. this way one can build a bridge to arrive at a common approach on particular issues. The alternative to that is to assume that the only two groups in the Sudan are the SPLM and NCP, which is false, with the express purpose of sabotaging any attempts at inclusion via democratization, legal reform, transparency ….etc. This is the choice – it is not pay me or I paid you!
On issues - again the CPA offers us guidance on the central issues built in to make peace permanent by altering the way the Sudan is governed.
All that is missing is little good faith and public dialogue to encourage ordinary people.
I myself personally do not mind seeing a Non-Arab non-Muslim Sudanese president. however, I also like to see democracy ruling and I would do my very best supporting political minorities to gain their legitimate rights. but lets be realistic here, Turabi is surely having a hidden agenda or maybe he is looking for Southerners support in the coming election (those who are favoring national unity) we all know the guy. he is never sincere and there is always a catch. I think we should force this government first to grant all citizens equal rights. a Southerner president is a dream and can only come true when people vote for this president and not a puppet nominated by the NIF. also, why neither Mr. Almahdi nor Abusabeeb agreed on this? Almahdi will never stop until he becomes a president and Mr. Abusabeeb is Almirghani's representative and right-hand, please. I say we should first build a solid national ground based on rights and mutual respect.
I have no Idea what you mean by fishing; do you mean fishing fish or human mangement in complex society?
What I meant is that many South Sudanese are like FISH, a fisherman come with his FISHHOOK with the bait on it, and what the Fish think is that the man come with good intention to feed the FISH. Why are many South Sudanese are so stupid to think that those Northerners have good intention in saying that, how many times do they decieve us.
curious-one 10-Feb-07, 23:46 That is the ugly truth, because the Sudan public is educate to see what is best for them.
on the other hand, you can not run away from your brother; NCP,PNC, and NIF are one. You can.t raise a chicken before you raised an egg.
correction!
I meant " Uneducated"
What I meant is that many South Sudanese are like FISH, a fisherman come with his FISHHOOK with the bait on it, and what the Fish think is that the man come with good intention to feed the FISH. Why are many South Sudanese are so stupid to think that those Northerners have good intention in saying that, how many times do they decieve us.
i think educated south sudanese are smart enough not to get fooled by northerners anymore. however it is true that northerns have been fooling the south sudanese public since independence
curious-one 10-Feb-07, 23:59 What I meant is that many South Sudanese are like FISH, a fisherman come with his FISHHOOK with the bait on it, and what the Fish think is that the man come with good intention to feed the FISH. Why are many South Sudanese are so stupid to think that those Northerners have good intention in saying that, how many times do they decieve us.
I got you; but before you turn some away, you have to listen to them and examine what they are talking about. Turbi opinion may not work, but what the other politicians about his suggestion is the intent of this post.
Southerners are not stupid they have right to rule Sudan and if that happen, they can change the course of politic in Sudan in general. Also, you don't to fight for what you have, you protected and fight for what you are not given yet.
CPA guarantee south self determination in 2011 and also guarantee south to be develop to the standard of north before 2011 and that what I'm lookin for and I hope southerners should look that far.
If you don't go offensive what are the guarantees that self determination time will be reach?
If you don't go offensive what are the guarantees that self determination time will be reach?
omg, will we get stuck on time :tears:
curious-one 11-Feb-07, 00:08 C_O,
Thank!
I think that is the sort of loaded question that is likely to leave every one disappointed!
It is not support the SPLM should be after, but rather the an agenda that is sufficiently common to every one to give it leverage .. this way one can build a bridge to arrive at a common approach on particular issues. The alternative to that is to assume that the only two groups in the Sudan are the SPLM and NCP, which is false, with the express purpose of sabotaging any attempts at inclusion via democratization, legal reform, transparency ….etc. This is the choice – it is not pay me or I paid you!
On issues - again the CPA offers us guidance on the central issues built in to make peace permanent by altering the way the Sudan is governed.
All that is missing is little good faith and public dialogue to encourage ordinary people.
It seem that is loaded question, but the train is running now over two years since the CPA was signed; if there were changes, they would have been done up to now.
Instead for people to get disappointed, they should think what are the options they have to save Sudan from divide into pieces, the only way save Sudan is to find they way to kick Ingaz out of government in up coming election.
The other political parties should have to make sure that they are prepare for up coming election and they must make sure that will happen in unbiased way.
curious-one 11-Feb-07, 00:22 I myself personally do not mind seeing a Non-Arab non-Muslim Sudanese president. however, I also like to see democracy ruling and I would do my very best supporting political minorities to gain their legitimate rights. but lets be realistic here, Turabi is surely having a hidden agenda or maybe he is looking for Southerners support in the coming election (those who are favoring national unity) we all know the guy. he is never sincere and there is always a catch. I think we should force this government first to grant all citizens equal rights. a Southerner president is a dream and can only come true when people vote for this president and not a puppet nominated by the NIF. also, why neither Mr. Almahdi nor Abusabeeb agreed on this? Almahdi will never stop until he becomes a president and Mr. Abusabeeb is Almirghani's representative and right-hand, please. I say we should first build a solid national ground based on rights and mutual respect.
Thank you for your input; we all need Sudan to be rule elected official not by those who came to power by gun. When official are elected, they have to answer to the people of Sudan not their guns.
You are right; southern to be a president is a dream only because Sudanese people are not well educated to beyond religious line.
Other people do not agree with Turabi because the mentality of religious thinking.
Rights and mutual are given by the CPA as well as the new interim Constitution, but the NIF is working hard to kill the CPA and the other political parties are not doing any thing to help SPLM who is fighting for everyone rights and that why those people did not agree with Turabi.
curious-one 11-Feb-07, 00:25 omg, will we get stuck on time :tears:
No. we will not stuck on time, but the road to 2011 is uncleared; it is full of many things that make 2011 as a dream.
No. we will not stuck on time, but the road to 2011 is uncleared; it is full of many things that make 2011 as a dream.
you know i was just joking right :) .
HisHighness 11-Feb-07, 16:33 The National Congress is other part of the NIF - it is not a political organization – it is a government enterprise!
prove it..
Ana-omdurman 11-Feb-07, 21:04 A president being a southerner does not solve the problem of unity or bring northerners and southerners any closer. Just like in the past 35 yrs vice presidents coming from the south have not brought sudanese any closer. A southerner being a president does not mean northerners and dinkas will go to the cinema together and watch the same Egyptian film. It does not mean northerners and southerners will go to the same school, because northerners in general go to arabic speaking schools and southerners go English catholic schools. It does not mean southerners & northerners will marry from eachother because they have different mentalities & culture and it definetly it does not mean the standard of living of the poor southerner in the slums will get any better. Also the real power which is the armed forces and businesses and education sectors will always be in northern hands which means the Dinka or southern president has no real power but what U can say a celebrity status. So no change for the southerner at all. It basically means really nothing apart from may a complex ego for a few people and only a minority of southerners will benefit if any at all.
curious-one 11-Feb-07, 21:43 A president being a southerner does not solve the problem of unity or bring northerners and southerners any closer. Just like in the past 35 yrs vice presidents coming from the south have not brought sudanese any closer. A southerner being a president does not mean northerners and dinkas will go to the cinema together and watch the same Egyptian film. It does not mean northerners and southerners will go to the same school, because northerners in general go to arabic speaking schools and southerners go English catholic schools. It does not mean southerners & northerners will marry from eachother because they have different mentalities & culture and it definetly it does not mean the standard of living of the poor southerner in the slums will get any better. Also the real power which is the armed forces and businesses and education sectors will always be in northern hands which means the Dinka or southern president has no real power but what U can say a celebrity status. So no change for the southerner at all. It basically means really nothing apart from may a complex ego for a few people and only a minority of southerners will benefit if any at all.
This is the mentality Sudan is always at war and never been in peace and more importantly it will never united. Because people like you think that Sudan is owned by Arab and Arab wanenabe in addition to Islam. Guest what you are living in denial you have to wake up and learn what Sudan is encompassed of.
I know you hate Dinka badly because Dinka stands against people who want to take Sudan in wrong direction and away from the original Sudanese. Those who claim to be Arab, they have blood from south Sudan not only from the time they arrived to Sudan, but also in present time.
Your hater against Dinka because they are standing on your way to do what you which to do is going to remain as a dream whether Sudan is united or divided because Dinka is going to stand tall on your face Arab wanenabe no matter what.
Can you tell me what school or major universities in Khartoum that has no Dinka in it?
MaruPatuet 11-Feb-07, 22:07 I myself personally do not mind seeing a Non-Arab non-Muslim Sudanese president. however, I also like to see democracy ruling and I would do my very best supporting political minorities to gain their legitimate rights. but lets be realistic here, Turabi is surely having a hidden agenda or maybe he is looking for Southerners support in the coming election (those who are favoring national unity) we all know the guy. he is never sincere and there is always a catch. I think we should force this government first to grant all citizens equal rights. a Southerner president is a dream and can only come true when people vote for this president and not a puppet nominated by the NIF. also, why neither Mr. Almahdi nor Abusabeeb agreed on this? Almahdi will never stop until he becomes a president and Mr. Abusabeeb is Almirghani's representative and right-hand, please. I say we should first build a solid national ground based on rights and mutual respect.
uMMMMMMMMM?
National unity onwhat ground?
I am disappointed I and my Mom are leaving for South Sudan blessed land for me and my descendants.:jump: :clap:
Marupatuet
uMMMMMMMMM?
National unity onwhat ground?
I am disappointed I and my Mom are leaving for South Sudan blessed land for me and my descendants.:jump: :clap:
Marupatuet
hey dhole yot Marupatuet, please excuse my broken Anuak; any way, long time no see how is everythings going? I hope you are doing great.
have a safe trip to our home land.
jijury
A southerner being a president does not mean northerners and dinkas will go to the cinema together and watch the same Egyptian film.
Do you mean Egyptians movies that Taraji Mustafa was talking about?
The movies were arabwannabe are doing the role of slaves, drivers, cookers, thieves and other dirty roles. WOW! how proud you are to be an arab!!
Ana-omdurman 12-Feb-07, 00:00 This is the mentality Sudan is always at war and never been in peace and more importantly it will never united. Because people like you think that Sudan is owned by Arab and Arab wanenabe in addition to Islam. Guest what you are living in denial you have to wake up and learn what Sudan is encompassed of.
I know you hate Dinka badly because Dinka stands against people who want to take Sudan in wrong direction and away from the original Sudanese. Those who claim to be Arab, they have blood from south Sudan not only from the time they arrived to Sudan, but also in present time.
Your hater against Dinka because they are standing on your way to do what you which to do is going to remain as a dream whether Sudan is united or divided because Dinka is going to stand tall on your face Arab wanenabe no matter what.
Can you tell me what school or major universities in Khartoum that has no Dinka in it?
curoius-one
You have not answered or commented in any of my sentences so far. But as usual changed the topic to something else when you cannot answer tough questions or to usual & only phrase you learned "arab why you are you arab or why are you not arab or afrcian or why are you not african. And so on.
Try to focus on the topic you started. IF you have any cooment regarding what i said please reply otherwise ????
Ana-omdurman 12-Feb-07, 00:12 Because people like you think that Sudan is owned by Arab and Arab wanenabe in addition to Islam.
:flag: When and where did I say that?
Please point it out for me when you are ready.
I know you hate Dinka badly because Dinka stands against people who want to take Sudan in wrong direction and away from the original Sudanese.
:flag: Where did you get that from? Is this written in some bible?
Those who claim to be Arab, they have blood from south Sudan not only from the time they arrived to Sudan, but also in present time.
:flag: It is possible. i have never denied that. But so do Ugandans they have dinka blood and many dinkas also have ugandan blood. So would 'nt it be better to merge uganda with southern sudan as one country and make a happy marriage there rather than that empty poor desert in north which has no history in common with you. Or do you prefer to be arrogant, racist and terrorist northerners.
CO! Someone somewhere need to tell them that Southerners are not the old Southerners which they have been cheated for many decades.
IFthe SPLM succeed to rule Sudan, then they have to comand the Sudan national forces or **** that deal.... Sorry for the language CO. These Watu think that we are fools.
Ana-omdurman 12-Feb-07, 00:31 Because people like you think that Sudan is owned by Arab and Arab wanenabe in addition to Islam.
:flag: When and where did I say that?
Please point it out for me when you are ready.
I know you hate Dinka badly because Dinka stands against people who want to take Sudan in wrong direction and away from the original Sudanese.
:flag: Where did you get that from? Is this written in some bible?
Those who claim to be Arab, they have blood from south Sudan not only from the time they arrived to Sudan, but also in present time.
:flag: It is possible. i have never denied that. But so do Ugandans they have dinka blood and many dinkas also have ugandan blood. So would 'nt it be better to merge uganda with southern sudan as one country and make a happy marriage there rather than that empty poor desert in north which has no history in common with you. Or do you prefer to be with the arrogant, racist and terrorist northerners or the nice , peaceful lovely and beautiful ugandans.
Guest what you are living in denial you have to wake up and learn what Sudan is encompassed of.
:flag: I think the who one who comes and sees in this board the likes of TTG, Lekve Tamboura and others ( not mentioning the millions of their likes in Sudan) and then says sudan will be in peace as one country is definetly the one living in denial.
Can you tell me what school or major universities in Khartoum that has no Dinka in it?
:flag: southerner or dinka? which one?
Can you tell me what school or major universities in Khartoum that has no Dinka in it?
:flag: No I cant tell you because I dont have the names of the thousands of schools in khartoum. But dont you (southerners) wan't the education in all of the south to be in English. Was nt one of the reason why the splm and other rebels groups took arms because of the arabisation of the education and instutitions? Did you not all complain here saying why are schools in khartoum arabic? Right after the splm took charge of the south they changed all the education curriculums into english which i have no problem with. I think any intelligent person can see the division it causes when you have 2 languages in one country. Do you any nation in the world that uses 2 languages as their main state? please name us..............:lool:
That one ethnic group of people only speak English and one group of people only speak arabic. Wow what a unity.
Why do you want to rule all Sudan. In my life I have never seen majority muslims ruled by non-muslims. We lost alot of lives in this fake unity, and if anyone still dreaming in unity, he/she should be moving right now to Northward. We (South Sudanese) are sick and tired of this unity.
Do you mean Egyptians movies that Taraji Mustafa was talking about?
The movies were arabwannabe are doing the role of slaves, drivers, cookers, thieves and other dirty roles. WOW! how proud you are to be an arab!!
:flag: When and where did I say that?
Please point it out for me when you are ready.
:flag: Where did you get that from? Is this written in some bible?
:flag: rather than that empty poor desert in north which has no history in common with you. .
i hope you are not using reverse psychology to say that the ruins in northern sudan belongs to northern sudanese. bcz they belong to nubians who are also AFRICANS.
Ana-omdurman 12-Feb-07, 01:47 i hope you are not using reverse psychology to say that the ruins in northern sudan belongs to northern sudanese. bcz they belong to nubians who are also AFRICANS.
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awlan, i am not who u think i am. well to your knoweldge my grandparents did build the pyramids as sum ppl believe, however (arabs...hahah) did not build the pyramids, the nubians did, and these are africans so they are more related to nigeria than to saudi arabia (ur homeland..haha). If u believe ur ancestors r arabs, then ur sayingdey didn't build these pyramids, bcz the ppl that built da pyrmids and the ppl wit great history r da cush civilization. plus nigeria is doin better than sudan economically and at least dey didn't claim to be arabs, even though arabs traded with west africa for hundereds of years.
curious-one 12-Feb-07, 03:42 CO! Someone somewhere need to tell them that Southerners are not the old Southerners which they have been cheated for many decades.
IFthe SPLM succeed to rule Sudan, then they have to comand the Sudan national forces or **** that deal.... Sorry for the language CO. These Watu think that we are fools.
Malith thank you for stopping by; it is ok to use false language from here and there when we had enough of an endles senseless. Some people think south stil in 50s when they fool them.
curious-one 12-Feb-07, 03:45 Why do you want to rule all Sudan. In my life I have never seen majority muslims ruled by non-muslims. We lost alot of lives in this fake unity, and if anyone still dreaming in unity, he/she should be moving right now to Northward. We (South Sudanese) are sick and tired of this unity.
I don.t want to rule Sudan and I don't I can work with any governement; howevr, if you are elected to day as a president of Sudan, I don’t think you will say to the people no thanks I want to rule south. I think have something in you that you would love to set an example so what happened to southerners have suffered will not happen again.
curious-one 12-Feb-07, 03:47 curoius-one
You have not answered or commented in any of my sentences so far. But as usual changed the topic to something else when you cannot answer tough questions or to usual & only phrase you learned "arab why you are you arab or why are you not arab or afrcian or why are you not african. And so on.
Try to focus on the topic you started. IF you have any cooment regarding what i said please reply otherwise ????
Ana-O,
I think I commented most of your comments; I know you don’t want to comment on this post because of it content, but you want to interject your hater on Dinka; if it was not hate to Dinka, then I don’t see any relation between Dinka and this post.
You have to know these facts:
Dinka not equal to south
Dinkas not equal to southerners
Dinka stands for the right of the south
Dinka protects the right of the southernersWhat you want to define ahmed007 is why I said you think Arab and Arabwannabe own Sudan.
I don’t think you want me to comment on the fact that southerners were 2nd vice president of Sudan for the last 35 yrs. To me second vice president is a president personal secretary not a position that has no effect on southerners. You will not agree with me that why you through it in there.
One of Khartoum University Prof. once said University lost it image because it changed its teaching from English into Arabic; he was not a southerner and I think is no longer teaching there.
If English is not a good language, why are using it and the technologies that were invented in English? If knowing other languages is not a good think, why they have to teach languages universities? Take Egypt as an example for that? As countries are concerned, China, India, Kenya just to name a few; are example of countries that have level of two languages is very much even.
HisHighness 12-Feb-07, 15:22 , China, .
you can exclude this one..
Ana-omdurman 12-Feb-07, 15:53 Curoius one
I think my comments are very clear. If you or any unionist , be it northerner or dinka have any opinion or objection on my thread then dont hesitate to comment on it.
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A president being a southerner does not solve the problem of unity or bring northerners and southerners any closer. Just like in the past 35 yrs vice presidents coming from the south have not brought sudanese any closer. A southerner being a president does not mean northerners and dinkas will go to the cinema together and watch the same Egyptian film. It does not mean northerners and southerners will go to the same school, because northerners in general go to arabic speaking schools and southerners go English catholic schools. It does not mean southerners & northerners will marry from eachother because they have different mentalities & culture and it definetly it does not mean the standard of living of the poor southerner in the slums will get any better. Also the real power which is the armed forces and businesses and the education sectors will always likely be in northern hands which means the Dinka or southern president has no real power but what U can say a celebrity status. So no change for the southerner at all. It basically means really nothing apart from a complex ego for a few people and only a minority of southerners will benefit, if any at all.
curious-one 13-Feb-07, 04:38 Curoius one
I think my comments are very clear. If you or any unionist , be it northerner or dinka have any opinion or objection on my thread then dont hesitate to comment on it.
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I think you already know the answer; who ever is the president has to appoint member of his/her cabinet . If you think southerner can rule, he/she can what you are asking me.
curious-one 13-Feb-07, 04:40 you can exclude this one..
Yes; but only if Hung-kong is not longer a part of China.
Ana-omdurman 13-Feb-07, 22:25 I think you already know the answer; who ever is the president has to appoint member of his/her cabinet . If you think southerner can rule, he/she can what you are asking me.
No he cant. That Dinka who is going to be the sudan's president will only be a celebrity president with no much power or soverienty, just like a ''would be black american president'' in the USA. All the intelligence network , the armed forces and the money are likely to remain in the northern hands. The only way the Dinka can have real power when becoming president in Khartoum is if all the northerners voluntarily give up the armed forces and the economic apprattus entirely to the Dinka, like the white south african gave it up to the black native Zulo. Which is unlikely to happen not even on the dead bodies of our ancestors. Which human will be that naive to give his gun voluntarily to a marginilised & oppressed person who we have no idea of his motives and who's motives could be that full of revenge and hatred and let him come and rule his house. Do you know any northerner willing to do so then please give us their names! And if their are any northern unionist here let them come forward and volunteer.
And while you are at it why dont you let a president of the south be from the Nuer, Azande or the Bari tribe, if you are so much for equality of all people. Why dont you give up all your guns & power for the other southern tribes i.e. the Nuer , the Azande, the bari, the lotoko, the nubas etc. and set us an example of the equality, so the northerners can all learn from you and know that your motives are genuine and for the freedom, equality and unity of all sudanese.
No he cant. That Dinka who is going to be the sudan's president will only be a celebrity president with no much power or soverienty, just like a ''would be black american president'' in the USA. All the intelligence network , the armed forces and the money are likely to remain in the northern hands. The only way the Dinka can have real power when becoming president in Khartoum is if all the northerners voluntarily give up the armed forces and the economic apprattus entirely to the Dinka, like the white south african gave it up to the black native Zulo. Which is unlikely to happen not even on the dead bodies of our ancestors. Which human will be that naive to give his gun voluntarily to a marginilised & oppressed person who we have no idea of his motives and who's motives could be that full of revenge and hatred and let him come and rule his house. Do you know any northerner willing to do so then please give us their names! And if their are any northern unionist here let them come forward and volunteer.
And while you are at it why dont you let a president of the south be from the Nuer, Azande or the Bari tribe, if you are so much for equality of all people. Why dont you give up all your guns & power for the other southern tribes i.e. the Nuer , the Azande, the bari, the lotoko, the nubas etc. and set us an example of the equality, so the northerners can all learn from you and know that your motives are genuine and for the freedom, equality and unity of all sudanese.
If there is a Sudanese without a tribe, he is a BAS'T'ARD.
WHAt is your tribe in Northern Sudan, is your tribe in Power? or are you a ........?
Why do you want to rule all Sudan. In my life I have never seen majority muslims ruled by non-muslims.
TTG:
well then ur living in a different planet.
Nigeria, Lebanon, Ethiopia, Turkey, Malaysia are all countries where muslims make up the majority, but the ruler is a non muslim. i feel sorry for you.
curious-one 16-Feb-07, 03:21 No he cant. That Dinka who is going to be the sudan's president will only be a celebrity president with no much power or soverienty, just like a ''would be black american president'' in the USA. All the intelligence network , the armed forces and the money are likely to remain in the northern hands. The only way the Dinka can have real power when becoming president in Khartoum is if all the northerners voluntarily give up the armed forces and the economic apprattus entirely to the Dinka, like the white south african gave it up to the black native Zulo. Which is unlikely to happen not even on the dead bodies of our ancestors. Which human will be that naive to give his gun voluntarily to a marginilised & oppressed person who we have no idea of his motives and who's motives could be that full of revenge and hatred and let him come and rule his house. Do you know any northerner willing to do so then please give us their names! And if their are any northern unionist here let them come forward and volunteer.
And while you are at it why dont you let a president of the south be from the Nuer, Azande or the Bari tribe, if you are so much for equality of all people. Why dont you give up all your guns & power for the other southern tribes i.e. the Nuer , the Azande, the bari, the lotoko, the nubas etc. and set us an example of the equality, so the northerners can all learn from you and know that your motives are genuine and for the freedom, equality and unity of all sudanese.
Ana-O,
You always misrepresent argument because you only look for what you want and like just to make others as bad guys. Your problem with Dinka will remind a dream. Just move on, you can handle Dinka.
You should worry about your on problem your Danagil tribe never rule Sudan even though claim to Arab. There are more poor people that tribe even though most of Sudan ruler come from that area. Have you ever ask yourself why?
The good that is that you are defending north and you admit that you have marginalized most Sudan. It is good to know you admit your guilt.
The rulers of the south were always appointed by your own northerners ruler; if you did not like that why you did not tell them?
Don't worry Ana-O, if southerners become rule of Sudan, your right will respect and no one marginalize like you did to others.
Since Nelson become a president in South Africa, whites are living free no one ask them to pay for their crimes they have done people of that country.
Ana-omdurman 16-Feb-07, 04:38 Ana-O,
You always misrepresent argument because you only look for what you want and like just to make others as bad guys. Your problem with Dinka will remind a dream. Just move on, you can handle Dinka.
You should worry about your on problem your Danagil tribe never rule Sudan even though claim to Arab. There are more poor people that tribe even though most of Sudan ruler come from that area. Have you ever ask yourself why?
The good that is that you are defending north and you admit that you have marginalized most Sudan. It is good to know you admit your guilt.
The rulers of the south were always appointed by your own northerners ruler; if you did not like that why you did not tell them?
Curoius 1
What took you so long? My danagla tribes are still marginalised in the far north although we were the pearl and roots of the hundreds of kingdoms & civilsations that swept the nile valley and where great kings & leaders from the Tirhaqa to the mahdi came from. Yet Dongola and the nubian villages, are if not dead, seem to almost cease to exist. There is drought there almost every year, although our towns & villages are along the Great river Nile and there has been no development there at all since the Turks left, back in the 1940's despite many ministers & leaders came from that area. Now most people there have migrated to Khartoum el gazeira or to arab countries mainly Saudi Arabia and other arab Gulf states. But my friend the difference between us and you is we do not go to the bush and use violence & bullets to make ourselves heard but we just keep quite till the right time comes. Hence we have been quite for a very long time. For you the solution has always been the bullet and it seems that it is the only method you seem to believe in getting anything done. Well seem to be in 2 different worlds.
Ana-omdurman 16-Feb-07, 05:02 Sir lets go back to your quote about the dinka being in every institution. Actually I forgot to comment on that.Well done thank yu for bringing it up.
whether Sudan is united or divided because Dinka is going to stand tall on your face Arab wanenabe no matter what.
Can you tell me what school or major universities in Khartoum that has no Dinka in it?
Ok what about the other southern tribes i.e. The Gaajaks, Azande, Lou nuer etc. Are they in every school or major univeristy or institution in Khartoum? Are their people in Khartoum as well in most of institutions or have had the same benfit of education and opportunities the dinka had pre & post colonialsation? No i dont think so. I know it is not the dinkas fault, Nor it is my fault either. I know this problem was a result of the british colonial policy of favouring a certain tribe over another by giving oppurtunities to one tribe and denying the other tribe. And defintly the dinka benefited something from the british's policy in south just like the northerner in the Sudan.So if the Sudan remains a united nation,yes you dinka will be happy as you will manage to fit in the poltical and socail system and compete for your positions in all the government institutions e.g. in the police,the army , the airforce, in the education sector and even the bussiness sector. Indeed we cannot deny that alot of the educated southern elite are dinka nor can we deny they are the largest tribe in the south and the most tribes with a long range of diversty in the Sudan, as they have people from all the main religions of sudan. Ok what about the other tribes which have missed all these decades in education and development and are still very far behind i.e. Lou nuer? How will they live in competitive united sudan were most tribes from darfur to the east are more developed than them as they atleast have higher literacy rate than them? And had some peace most of post independence Sudan?
How is their (southern tribes) standard of living going to get any better and how long will it take till they reach the standard of living and education of other people around sudan including the dinka? It will take time. Probably 20 years.
How will they feel through out these long years seeing themselves miss out in all oppurtunitiers and people are going ahead of them? It will be frustration and anger at the northerner as usual and blame all their problems and failure in the northerner and not that dinka president or dinka government in Khartoum. Dont you agree? then what? Yes you dinka will be enjoying a good time in the national government and your bussiness will be booming and the northerner takes all the blame for the backwardness and lack of oppurtunities of other southern tribes. And then SPLM 2 forms by the marginalised southern(nuer) tribes and then that dinka president or those ministers who have some personal problem with his northern allies decide to go join the rebellion in the south in the excuse of an agreement was not honoured and then a second civil war starts again. Same old story. And what is all that for? Who is the winner here?
curious-one 16-Feb-07, 22:42 Ana_O,
I’m very busy that why it took long to reply; If your tribes are still marginalized, then why are you worry about others people’s problems before you have not solve your own problem? So because you had migrated to Omdurman, you are now do not consider yourself as part of Danagil tribe is that true Ana- O? You have been born again to be a Muslim and Arab’ is that what you are? You can't go to bush to ask for your right, but you have to convert from Christianity to Islam and to become an Arab, good for you!
You seem jealous about southerners and Dinka in particular, because they have suffered in the hands of northerner’s rulers who your tribe had suffered in their hands and got destroyed and southerners are still standing frame unshakable. Let me tell you Mr. Ana_O that is your own problem; if you can’t solve it you will very soon die with stress.
We are not living in two different worlds, we just different because we don’t hate our origin, but you hate your origin and you want to be someone else.
Here we go again, twisted as you want to. I mention Dinka because you were talking about them; all southerner’ tribes are in schools in any corner of Sudan so just go a head and do your home work to find that out.
If we southerners want to blame someone for in-suspicion of education in southern from 1956 – 2005, we have to blame northern rulers not Dinka.
Last thing I want to ask you again is: are you an Ingaz agent that apply the policy of divide south and rule them or you are just a Danagila who lost his origin and jealous about the south's success?
Ana-omdurman 17-Feb-07, 00:16 Ana_O,
I’m very busy that why it took long to reply; If your tribes are still marginalized, then why are you worry about others people’s problems before you have not solve your own problem?
:flag: I am not worried nor i care about your problem. You are the one who is talking about unity, and the one who is talking about marginilsation in the north. not me.
Ana_O,
So because you had migrated to Omdurman, you are now do not consider yourself as part of Danagil tribe is that true Ana- O?
:flag: I did not migrate from Dongola to Omdurman, but my great grandfather in the 1800's before the mahdia battle of libertaion against the British. When omdruman was a just a village. I am a fourth generation Omdurmanian citizen. I am still ethnically part of the danagla tribe. Although tribal affilaition & patrionism in our generation is almost dead big cities, i consider myself more of an omdurmani just like the Hadendwa considers himself as a Port sudani and Bari considers himself as a Juban rather than tribe. Hence i call myself ana-omdurman meaning "Iam Omdurman". This is the difference between Urban centres and villages.
Ana_O,
You have been born again to be a Muslim and Arab’ is that what you are?
:flag: Muslim and Nubain. I never said I was Arab.
Ana_O,
You can't go to bush to ask for your right, but you have to convert from Christianity to Islam and to become an Arab, good for you!
:flag: I dont use violence as means to fight and point the gun at my own people and let the foriegners take advantage of my country's blood spilling over.
I did 'nt convert to Islam from christinaity, but i was borned as a muslim. You converted from paganism and animism to Christianity. Do I care or did I question you about it?
Ana_O,
You seem jealous about southerners and Dinka in particular, because they have suffered in the hands of northerner’s rulers who your tribe had suffered in their hands and got destroyed and southerners are still standing frame unshakable. Let me tell you Mr. Ana_O that is your own problem;
:flag: Sorry but your sentence does not make sense at all.
Ana_O,
We are not living in two different worlds, we just different because we don’t hate our origin, but you hate your origin and you want to be someone else.
:flag: I dont hate my origins Iam proud of my Nubain origins. If you love your origins why dont you Dinka SPLMer campiagn for unity with your origin blood brothers in Uganda who you share a long history of heritage and culture with.
Ana_O,
I mention Dinka because you were talking about them; all southerner’ tribes are in schools in any corner of Sudan so just go a head and do your home work to find that out.
:flag: Sir i think you are living in the future year 2050 if not in world of your own. Because not even all Americans are in all schools of every corner of USA.
My friend south Sudan has the lowest litercy rates in the world. Lower than that of wartorn Somalia & afganistan according to international sources,especailly in the hostile unaccessable Nuer areas. Over 70 % of people cannot read or write as a result of the longest civil conflict in the history of civil wars. Of course talking about Juba,Wau, malakal But the vast remote towns and the bush. I said the dinkas received good education as a result of the British policy of favouring certain groups or tribes over another. The dinka being the largest tribe were favoured over many other southern tribes just like the northerner over other sudanese tribes.
If we southerners want to blame someone for in-suspicion of education in southern from 1956 – 2005, we have to blame northern rulers not Dinka.
:flag: The peroid of 1956 -2005 well that is exactly (49 years). And who are you going to blame from under education and under development of the peroid 1898 - 1956 (58 years)
I never said blame the dinka for illitracy rate in the south. Did I say that? How many schools were there in the south before 1956 and how many schools and universirties have opened there since by northerners in the peroid 1956-2005? Although northern teachers & their families were masscred and killed in southern towns by rebel groups. Did you have a university there at all before 1956 Or even schools? Now you have 3 main univerisites founded for you by northerners and from northern resources.
Last thing I want to ask you again is: are you an Ingaz agent that apply the policy of divide south and rule them or you are just a Danagila who lost his origin and jealous about the south's success?
:flag: Iam none of them. My question to you, why are you so badly for unity with those bad northerners , when you have such a low opinion of them. What will you ever achieve.
curious-one 17-Feb-07, 02:20 "My question to you, why are you so badly for unity with those bad northerners , when you have such a low opinion of them. What will you ever achieve."
Ana_O,
Your question is why I posted this post; Turabi wants unity of Sudan and I wonder what are other northerners thinking about it? Sudan is a nation of Sudanese and is belong to them. Those northerners elites who have been ruling Sudan for decades need to be push on the curve and that what I want to see. NIF and a like must go!
RAM~MI~RAN 17-Feb-07, 05:12 "My question to you, why are you so badly for unity with those bad northerners , when you have such a low opinion of them. What will you ever achieve."
Ana_O,
Your question is why I posted this post; Turabi wants unity of Sudan and I wonder what are other northerners thinking about it? Sudan is a nation of Sudanese and is belong to them. Those northerners elites who have been ruling Sudan for decades need to be push on the curve and that what I want to see. NIF and a like must go!
And how are you planning on doing all that? i'm getting NIF and a like out? dawn, wake up people; the whole northern sudan is NIF not alike...stop trying to confusing people when everybody when whats' going on....
Ana-omdurman 17-Feb-07, 17:32 "My question to you, why are you so badly for unity with those bad northerners , when you have such a low opinion of them. What will you ever achieve."
Ana_O,
Your question is why I posted this post; Turabi wants unity of Sudan and I wonder what are other northerners thinking about it? Sudan is a nation of Sudanese and is belong to them. Those northerners elites who have been ruling Sudan for decades need to be push on the curve and that what I want to see. NIF and a like must go!
Who cares what Turabi wants. Turabi can say anything he wishes who is listening to him. He has no influence or power anymore. Even his students have deposed him.
Turabi said a muslim woman can marry a jew or christian. Do you know any sudanese muslim woman who has so far listened or agreed to his fatwa and married a jew or a christian?
Turabi said Hijab is not compulsory, do you know any muslim leaders or imams who have agreed with him?
Turabi said muslim a woman can lead a prayer. Do you know any sudanese muslim woman who has carried out his fatwa or agreed with him?
Turabi said, when al basheer deposed him in 1999, that all sudanese are going to take out to the streets in mass numbers and support him. Has that happened at all?
Turabi has said many things and he will say many things in coming future but all his words are falling in deaf years. His time is coming to end and his days are numbered like his brother in law Alsadiq almahdi.
And the only one who is interested or listening or beleiving in his beautiful words are you unoinist Dinkas. Well let see where it will take you.
Sudan is a nation of Sudanese and is belong to them. Those northerners elites who have been ruling Sudan for decades need to be push on the curve and that what I want to see.
North belong to northerners and south belong to southerners. Southerners are now ruling their affairs in GOSS and can take care of their affairs for the rest of their lives. Northerners are taking care of their affairs in the north. Those northern elite who ruled all Sudan are not and will not ever rule you again.
Ana-omdurman 17-Feb-07, 18:01 "Those northerners elites who have been ruling Sudan for decades need to be push on the curve and that what I want to see.
Curoius 1 ,
It is a curse to be from the dominant ruling ethnic group or tribe in every country. Every thing the government will do wrong or goes wrong will just be blamed on a poor civilain who has nothing to do with his ethnic government. Even if you have been a victim of this government for decades U get no sympathy. You see every thing that went wrong in america was blamed on the white man although not every white American was a governor or a politician. Nor did every whiteman had food on his table. I cant wait to see when the South seperates completly, hopefully in 2011, and the Dinka ruling elite takes all the power and armed forces and then see all the other tribes blaming everything that goes wrong in South on the poor dinka civilains who have nothing to do with politics or the government. I see it already happening. Every time some Nuer or others have a problem with Salva Kiir' policies or his adminstration they start attacking every dinka. People make no difference between the politicians & people. Do you remember some of their posts. Or shall I bring them up for you to read them.
Well after seperation you as a dinka will see what us as a northerner have been through and there will come a time when you just get fed up with the other ethnic groups blaming you for your politicians corruption or for some army soldeirs behavour in some village on top of the mountain who you have nothing to do with. You will take a good taste of what we are now going through and may god help you. Infact enjoy your time now as much as you can and blame northerners for any bite you get from mosquito in Rumbek or for your mobile phone not tracking signals. But after 2011 my dinka friends get ready to take all the weight & trouble of our shoulders. And just make sure that alteast majority of the army & air force is under your command, so you can hold the nation together from breaking up, and dont end up as a refugee like in 1991. if know what I mean.
I am not angry with you or with the dinkas , infact I feel a bit of sympathy for what waits you in 2011, after all the trouble & problems you have been through in the last 23 years. But atleast you will under stand us northerners civilains better and you understand what we have been through as result of such an ethnic conflict.
curious-one 17-Feb-07, 22:59 Curoius 1 ,
It is a curse to be from the dominant ruling ethnic group or tribe in every country. Every thing the government will do wrong or goes wrong will just be blamed on a poor civilain who has nothing to do with his ethnic government. Even if you have been a victim of this government for decades U get no sympathy. You see every thing that went wrong in america was blamed on the white man although not every white American was a governor or a politician. Nor did every whiteman had food on his table. I cant wait to see when the South seperates completly, hopefully in 2011, and the Dinka ruling elite takes all the power and armed forces and then see all the other tribes blaming everything that goes wrong in South on the poor dinka civilains who have nothing to do with politics or the government. I see it already happening. Every time some Nuer or others have a problem with Salva Kiir' policies or his adminstration they start attacking every dinka. People make no difference between the politicians & people. Do you remember some of their posts. Or shall I bring them up for you to read them.
Well after seperation you as a dinka will see what us as a northerner have been through and there will come a time when you just get fed up with the other ethnic groups blaming you for your politicians corruption or for some army soldeirs behavour in some village on top of the mountain who you have nothing to do with. You will take a good taste of what we are now going through and may god help you. Infact enjoy your time now as much as you can and blame northerners for any bite you get from mosquito in Rumbek or for your mobile phone not tracking signals. But after 2011 my dinka friends get ready to take all the weight & trouble of our shoulders. And just make sure that alteast majority of the army & air force is under your command, so you can hold the nation together from breaking up, and dont end up as a refugee like in 1991. if know what I mean.
I am not angry with you or with the dinkas , infact I feel a bit of sympathy for what waits you in 2011, after all the trouble & problems you have been through in the last 23 years. But atleast you will under stand us northerners civilains better and you understand what we have been through as result of such an ethnic conflict.
Ana-O,
Your reverse psychology is not working for me; just go and tell others who don’t know what you are after. As you said, if Dinka is for unity, the unity may happen, but you have no idea what Dinka is for. Test the water to see what it work for you and do your reverse psychology, good for you; it will work only for those who don’t know you.
curious-one 17-Feb-07, 23:02 And how are you planning on doing all that? i'm getting NIF and a like out? dawn, wake up people; the whole northern sudan is NIF not alike...stop trying to confusing people when everybody when whats' going on....
I think a lot of people will disagree with that all northerners are NIF; yes they are mostly Muslims, but the are all NIF;
Using those who are not NIF against NIF will achieve that.
curious-one 17-Feb-07, 23:06 And how are you planning on doing all that? i'm getting NIF and a like out? dawn, wake up people; the whole northern sudan is NIF not alike...stop trying to confusing people when everybody when whats' going on....
I hope you read Arabic to see how much northerners who are not NIF are disguested with them.
http://www.sudanforum.net/showthread.php?t=1038
Ana-omdurman 18-Feb-07, 02:23 Ana-O,
Your reverse psychology is not working for me; just go and tell others who don’t know what you are after. As you said, if Dinka is for unity, the unity may happen, but you have no idea what Dinka is for. Test the water to see what it work for you and do your reverse psychology, good for you; it will work only for those who don’t know you.
Sir
:flag: If dinka is for unity then unity will happen politically but not socailly. Only the dinka will benefit from this unity and not even all the dinkas. Do you get my point. ANd why does an Splmer want unity for with people he hates and calls them aggressors and hates their religion and culture. Sir I have been in this forum long enough. You are not anti NIF but you are anti northern like the majority of your pro-Garang SPLM. The fact that you are not happy with northerners speaking arabic or following the islamic religion is a true example of your true colours. Who are fooling? Are we that stupid to fall for your Garang's ''New Sudan ethnic cleansing agenda'' which is a vehicle to eradicate the northern civilains ethnically from the face of the Sudan some time in the future as your cousin Tamboura & deekui and Jakor have said numerous times. What you dont get in your head is that process is not going to be easy it may take the SPLM a century to achieve all the ethnic cleansing of all northerners. And you will need the whole of sudanese backing in east,west and North which you don't have. That is why all the warring & poltical factions in Sudan made their own militias and refused to join Garang's one tribe movement.
Any BAS'T'ART should be busy asking his mother who is his father and hence his tribe instead attacking proud well-known South Sudanese tribes.
Any BAS'T'ART should be busy asking his mother who is his father and hence his tribe instead attacking proud well-known South Sudanese tribes.
why u always bringin all this tribal sh&t up here. this what have kept africa at the bottom all these years and thats what u r doin.
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