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This is indeed a common misconception amongst many...they keep thinking Jesus came to establish a religion...but that is not the case. He did not establish a religion.
So what did He establish?
To know the answer to this, let us see what is the root of the name JESUS...but first REMEMBER, prophets of Old were given names that reflect their mission in most cases...and this is particularly true of the name YehuShua, or Jesus in English, or Yesua in Arabic.
Yehushua is a combination of the names YHWH Shua...where YHWH is the name of G-d and Shua means "salvation" in Hebrew...therefore Yehushua literally means G-d is salvation.
Therefore Jesus came to establish salvation...not religion.
Salvation from what?
Salvation from the adamic fall...for only G-d can save from the Adamic fall which we all live in today....and hence the name "G-d saves".
Many cultures have tried to udnerstand who Yehushua is. Infact many have given him their own names. Muslims have given Him the name Eisa and by doing so, minimised His ORIGINAL mission and reduced him to a mere prophet, eventhough Eisa never existed as a historical figure...the arabic transliteration of the name "Yehushua" is very well known amongst arab christians to be "Yesu3".
If you have been getting all misconception about salvation, for all your life, it is time to know the man who saved the world.
Knowing Jesus from the gospels is the only true way, because those who wrote it are those who witnessed his life teachings death and ressurection.
Anyone who seeks to understand Jesus from the Quran or any other book apart from the gospel, is like someone who who seeks the biography of Abraham Lincoln in the journals of microbiology.
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. John 10:10
This is indeed a common misconception amongst many...they keep thinking Jesus came to establish a religion...but that is not the case. He did not establish a religion.
So what did He establish?
To know the answer to this, let us see what is the root of the name JESUS...but first REMEMBER, prophets of Old were given names that reflect their mission in most cases...and this is particularly true of the name YehuShua, or Jesus in English, or Yesua in Arabic.
Yehushua is a combination of the names YHWH Shua...where YHWH is the name of G-d and Shua means "salvation" in Hebrew...therefore Yehushua literally means G-d is salvation.
Therefore Jesus came to establish salvation...not religion.
Salvation from what?
Salvation from the adamic fall...for only G-d can save from the Adamic fall which we all live in today....and hence the name "G-d saves".
Many cultures have tried to udnerstand who Yehushua is. Infact many have given him their own names. Muslims have given Him the name Eisa and by doing so, minimised His ORIGINAL mission and reduced him to a mere prophet, eventhough Eisa never existed as a historical figure...the arabic transliteration of the name "Yehushua" is very well known amongst arab christians to be "Yesu3".
If you have been getting all misconception about salvation, for all your life, it is time to know the man who saved the world.
Knowing Jesus from the gospels is the only true way, because those who wrote it are those who witnessed his life teachings death and ressurection.
Anyone who seeks to understand Jesus from the Quran or any other book apart from the gospel, is like someone who who seeks the biography of Abraham Lincoln in the journals of microbiology.
Ok Ronald,doesn't all of this sound the same to what the contoverials that is going on the dicoveries of many named Marys and yeshus and yesus with the respect of what and how eisa interpreted and means to moslims?
you are sounding exactly the same as those that are doing the controversies and discoveries,no?
Ok Ronald,doesn't all of this sound the same to what the contoverials that is going on the dicoveries of many named Marys and yeshus and yesus with the respect of what and how eisa interpreted and means to moslims?
The Quran refers to Eisa who supposedly lived about 600 years prior to the Quran. The New testament refers to Jesus (Hebrew: Yeshua) as seen by those who saw Him and touched Him. There is little wonder then the two narrations are starkly different.
A principle aspect is that Jesus came to establish salvation by dying in the cross, something that all the writers of the gospel refer to.
Therefore Jesus did not come to establish a religion.
He came to establish not just "a way of life" but "THE way of life", "THE way of truth"!!
For He said:
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". John 14:6
Ronald how are you
The only prophet we were told about in our book "Quran" who carried with him the Book of his preceding Prophet was Jesus (PBUH)...He was given the Bible and made to know Torah. In the Bible (so called New Testament) I think He said "I did not come to cancel the laws of Moses...
Could you tell what was that for? bearing in mind ... Torah was the book given to Moses (PBUH) it was in Hebrew so was the Bible? ....The Names "Jesus" and "Christ" are neither Hebrew nor any other orient languages are they?
This is indeed a common misconception amongst many...they keep thinking Jesus came to establish a religion...but that is not the case. He did not establish a religion.
So what did He establish?
To know the answer to this, let us see what is the root of the name JESUS...but first REMEMBER, prophets of Old were given names that reflect their mission in most cases...and this is particularly true of the name YehuShua, or Jesus in English, or Yesua in Arabic.
Yehushua is a combination of the names YHWH Shua...where YHWH is the name of G-d and Shua means "salvation" in Hebrew...therefore Yehushua literally means G-d is salvation.
Therefore Jesus came to establish salvation...not religion.
Salvation from what?
Salvation from the adamic fall...for only G-d can save from the Adamic fall which we all live in today....and hence the name "G-d saves".
Many cultures have tried to udnerstand who Yehushua is. Infact many have given him their own names. Muslims have given Him the name Eisa and by doing so, minimised His ORIGINAL mission and reduced him to a mere prophet, eventhough Eisa never existed as a historical figure...the arabic transliteration of the name "Yehushua" is very well known amongst arab christians to be "Yesu3".
If you have been getting all misconception about salvation, for all your life, it is time to know the man who saved the world.
Knowing Jesus from the gospels is the only true way, because those who wrote it are those who witnessed his life teachings death and ressurection.
Anyone who seeks to understand Jesus from the Quran or any other book apart from the gospel, is like someone who who seeks the biography of Abraham Lincoln in the journals of microbiology.
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Ronald how are you
The only prophet we were told about in our book "Quran" who carried with him the Book of his preceding Prophet was Jesus (PBUH)...He was given the Bible and made to know Torah. In the Bible (so called New Testament) I think He said "I did not come to cancel the laws of Moses...
Could you tell what was that for? bearing in mind ... Torah was the book given to Moses (PBUH) it was in Hebrew so was the Bible? ....The Names "Jesus" and "Christ" are neither Hebrew nor any other orient languages are they?
Hello Absurra,
I'm doing well and I trust you are likewise!!
You quoted a verse and made three dots after it (see above in red).
Go and get what you left out of the verse, for it will answer your question.
Hint: The verse is Matthew 5:17
Bring the verse here in FULL...not in half to suit your bias...then we can talk.
Regarding the names Jesus and Christ, no one said they are Hebrew names, they are Anglicised and Helenised words of the original Hebrew names Yeshua and Moshiach...but the meaning is understood by all to be the same.
There are many examples: John (English) or Johan(Dutch) or Yohanna (Arabic) Yohannes (Amharic, Eritrean) all come from the original Hebrew Yochanan....but they all preserve the meaning in themselves although they are different pronuciations in different cultures. These languages do not change the meanings. They all agree that the name means "GOD is Grace", regardless of the change in spelling due to language.
Hello Absurra,
I'm doing well and I trust you are likewise!!
You quoted a verse and made three dots after it (see above in red).
Go and get what you left out of the verse, for it will answer your question.
Hint: The verse is Matthew 5:17
Bring the verse here in FULL...not in half to suit your bias...then we can talk.
Regarding the names Jesus and Christ, no one said they are Hebrew names, they are Anglicised and Helenised words of the original Hebrew names Yeshua and Moshiach...but the meaning is understood by all to be the same.
There are many examples: John (English) or Johan(Dutch) or Yohanna (Arabic) Yohannes (Amharic, Eritrean) all come from the original Hebrew Yochanan....but they all preserve the meaning in themselves although they are different pronuciations in different cultures. These languages do not change the meanings. They all agree that the name means "GOD is Grace", regardless of the change in spelling due to language.
Hello Ronald
I want to read your comment on the fact that ..Jesus Christ (PBUH) was the prophet of two Holy Books (Torah of Moses and the Bible)...please comment on this bearing in mind, you claimed Jesus did not come to establish a RELIGION.
thanks
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Hello Bilal
I don't see it is appropriate to repeat what the wicked Jews say about a noble Prophet of God like Essa (PBUH)..
THE MIGHTY JACKAL 25-Apr-11, 20:09 Hello Bilal
I don't see it is appropriate to repeat what the wicked Jews say about a noble Prophet of God like Essa (PBUH)..
That is the difference between christians and muslims. When Jesus was on earth, the pharisees just didn't mocked him but they spate on his face and they crusified him with the thieves but HE SAID FORGIVE THEM FATHER FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
If God himself didn't punished but forgave those who spate on his son's face and killed him, who are we to judge? God in my opinion is The God who gives freedom of worship, speech, and choice to all mankind and at the end God will judge us all accordingly.
Now, what would have happen if that lady was mocking Mohammed? Will the muslims forgive her for her ignorance or use her ignorance to persecute her? I HOPE YOU MUSLIMS LEARNT FROM THAT.
That is the difference between christians and muslims. When Jesus was on earth, the pharisees just didn't mocked him but they spate on his face and they crusified him with the thieves but HE SAID FORGIVE THEM FATHER FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
If God himself didn't punished but forgave those who spate on his son's face and killed him, who are we to judge? God in my opinion is The God who gives freedom of worship, speech, and choice to all mankind and at the end God will judge us all accordingly.
Now, what would have happen if that lady was mocking Mohammed? Will the muslims forgive her for her ignorance or use her ignorance to persecute her? I HOPE YOU MUSLIMS LEARNT FROM THAT.
I don't think we have the right tool to measure the difference between Christians & Muslims....
What is the point in Mocking anybody Jackle?...Muslims show anger in such cases...instantly, she was not mocking Mohammed she was mocking Jesus Christ (PBUH)....for me as a Muslim I feel angry and condemn what she was doing... because she was misbehaving.
You spoke about God...yet expect us to behave like Him
THE MIGHTY JACKAL 26-Apr-11, 19:27 absurra;1528220]I don't think we have the right tool to measure the difference between Christians & Muslims....
Yes we do absurra, we do have the mechanism to measure the difference between christians and muslims' faith, just read the bible and compare it to Kor'an and you will see the difference.
What is the point in Mocking anybody Jackle?...Muslims show anger in such cases...instantly, she was not mocking Mohammed she was mocking Jesus Christ (PBUH)....for me as a Muslim I feel angry and condemn what she was doing... because she was misbehaving. You spoke about God...yet expect us to behave like Him
Well, we mock politicians everyday, we mock our professors in class rooms, we mock those who we don't agree with, etc. Therefore mocking is not a knew thing to humans. I gurantee you that prophet mohammed was mocked accepted that mohammed killed the mockers and Jesus forgave his mockers.
Now, instead of being angry of what the ignorant leady is doing, why not help her instead? Ask yourself this question, if that lady is saintly enough, what good can possibly come out from her portraying Jesus as a monkey? It is just that idiotic evangelical preacher from Florida who burnt a Kor'an. What good did he gain apart from him being perceived as stupid by normal people are concern about making a living than seeing kor'an being burnt. Did that preacher's action made the radical christians angels descent from heaven and called the preacher a hero or survior of christian faith? and for the ignorant lady, did her action raised all anti-christs from all corners of earth to glorify her for portraying Jesus as monkey? Such behavior in my opinion just tells me that those individuals need help.
Yes we do absurra, we do have the mechanism to measure the difference between christians and muslims' faith, just read the bible and compare it to Kor'an and you will see the difference.
which of them bibles you think I should read Jackal? tell you the truth, I have almost reviewed all of them. and still wondering, from which language these books were translated...was it from the Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek....what is the original language of the Bible (New testament)? to us Muslims, Both Old and New Testaments were given in Hebrew.
Reading these holy books of Christians made my faith even deeper as a muslim..the more I read these books the more I become a stronger Muslim...tell you what Jackal...I still could not figure how Christians were able to absorb the superstitions contained in these books...don't be offended please..I am telling you what I actually, felt .
THE MIGHTY JACKAL 28-Apr-11, 04:55 absurra;1529898]which of them bibles you think I should read Jackal? tell you the truth, I have almost reviewed all of them. and still wondering, from which language these books were translated...was it from the Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek....what is the original language of the Bible (New testament)? to us Muslims, Both Old and New Testaments were given in Hebrew.
The original old Testament was written in Hebrew and then later translated into Greek. The New Testament was originally written in Hebrew.
Here is a food for thought my friend, the bible was not written by one person. The books of the bible were written by prophets of God and disciples of Jesus Christ. The standard bible that we used today have 66 books and divided into Old Testament and New Testament. Old Testament was written by prophets such as Moses, Job, Isaiah etc under God's inspiration. The only thing in the bible that was literally written by the Hands of God are the Ten Commands of God. God literally wrote them on stone in Mount Sinai and gave them to Moses to give it to the stuborn Israelites.
The old Testament prophesied about the coming of Jesus Christ and the New testament fullfiled prophecies of the old testament about the coming of Messiah and future evens. The New Testament was written by Jesus' disciples, and that makes the information "first hand information".
Now, two to three hundred years after Jesus died, many have written books about him based on "she said, he said" information, I mean not first hand information. There are so many such books out there and they are called "Pseudo Apocrypha". For instance, "the gospel according to Judas" was one of the "Red Sea Scrols" discovered several years ago. Now asked yourself, Judas Scarriot hanged himself immediately after he betrayed Jesus, how the hell then did he get the time to write a book?.
Some Christian "sects" chose to used those Pseudo apocrypha books and some denomination that uses those pseudo books include Catholic Church, Judaism, Coptic Church and Othordox Church.
JUST THINK AT IT THESE WAY, THERE ARE SOME MUSLIM "SECTS" OUT THERE WHO WILL NOT USE "HADITH" BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT HADITH IS NOT INSPIRED OR PART OF KOR'AN AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO WANT TO MAKE HADITH PART OF KOR'AN. The same thing with the apocrypha books, they are like hadith.
Reading these holy books of Christians made my faith even deeper as a muslim..the more I read these books the more I become a stronger Muslim...
There are non-muslims and some "off-shoot" muslims who say the same thing you say bout Kor'an too. The more the read Kor'an, the more their faith strengthen in whatever they believe in.
tell you what Jackal...I still could not figure how Christians were able to absorb the superstitions contained in these books...don't be offended please..I am telling you what I actually, felt .
First of all, I'm the last person that will be offended by what you say because I'm not shallow and secondly, what you say obout christianity and its superstiteausness is unsubstantiated.
The original old Testament was written in Hebrew and then later translated into Greek. The New Testament was originally written in Hebrew.
Here is a food for thought my friend, the bible was not written by one person. The books of the bible were written by prophets of God and disciples of Jesus Christ. The standard bible that we used today have 66 books and divided into Old Testament and New Testament. Old Testament was written by prophets such as Moses, Job, Isaiah etc under God's inspiration. The only thing in the bible that was literally written by the Hands of God are the Ten Commands of God. God literally wrote them on stone in Mount Sinai and gave them to Moses to give it to the stuborn Israelites.
The old Testament prophesied about the coming of Jesus Christ and the New testament fullfiled prophecies of the old testament about the coming of Messiah and future evens. The New Testament was written by Jesus' disciples, and that makes the information "first hand information".
Now, two to three hundred years after Jesus died, many have written books about him based on "she said, he said" information, I mean not first hand information. There are so many such books out there and they are called "Pseudo Apocrypha". For instance, "the gospel according to Judas" was one of the "Red Sea Scrols" discovered several years ago. Now asked yourself, Judas Scarriot hanged himself immediately after he betrayed Jesus, how the hell then did he get the time to write a book?.
Some Christian "sects" chose to used those Pseudo apocrypha books and some denomination that uses those pseudo books include Catholic Church, Judaism, Coptic Church and Othordox Church.
Thanks for the information Jackal...let me ask you this please: All Christians claim that the dictator of the New Testament was Jesus (PBUH)..and that each of his(Jesus) disciples have recorded it according to what he understood..this justifies the difference between the books of the New Testament...is this correct?
Was the New Testament written (in black & white) in the year 348 AC? the answer is yes. how could anybody believe that what was recorded three and half centuries after would be the same dictated by Jesus (PBUH)...you certainly know muslims believe in a Holy Book by the name "Injee0 that is Bible.
what about the messages written by some of Jesus disciples like Pauls,Peters..etc which consist a part of the New Testament..we all know these messages were written by these persons...what made them so sacred to be added to the words supposedly dictated by Jesus?
Jesus did not die nor was he crucified...this of course, is our belief.
JUST THINK AT IT THESE WAY, THERE ARE SOME MUSLIM "SECTS" OUT THERE WHO WILL NOT USE "HADITH" BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT HADITH IS NOT INSPIRED OR PART OF KOR'AN AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO WANT TO MAKE HADITH PART OF KOR'AN. The same thing with the apocrypha books, they are like hadith.
THERE ARE SOME MUSLIM "SECTS" OUT THERE WHO WILL NOT USE "HADITH" BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT HADITH IS NOT INSPIRED
This New approach is introduced recently by a sect that call themselves "quranists" their idea is baseless..they are just attempting to reduce the do's and dont's of Islam and to the same thing done by modern Christians..they want to have the right to add and delete according to their evil intentions.
Quran is Quran word of Allah (SWT).....Hadith is Hadith
our main source is Quran... Hadiths (what was said,done,endorsed by the Prophet) is our second source
THERE ARE THOSE WHO WANT TO MAKE HADITH PART OF KOR'AN. The same thing with the apocrypha books, they are like hadith.
Nobody wants to make Hadith part of Quran....Nobody at all
Hello Ronald
I want to read your comment on the fact that ..Jesus Christ (PBUH) was the prophet of two Holy Books (Torah of Moses and the Bible)...please comment on this bearing in mind, you claimed Jesus did not come to establish a RELIGION.
thanks
Absurra,
Jesus is the WORD of GOD. Therefore it is no brainer that He is the author of all that is of GOD.
People who have the word of GOD do not become just religious, but spiritual.
The word "religious" is nowadays used loosely to mean spiritual...but if we read about the Life of Jesus Christ from the gospels we notice He was opposed by the "religious" leaders of the day.
It is a spiritual fact that Jesus came to bring salvation to mankind...and that salvation unites us with GOD, but religion many a times is a stumbling block.
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